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Standardized Humanoid Animations Rig and Library

dean_bouvier — Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:33:23 -0400

I've posted a video which discusses the new animation rig and library I've been working on for the WorldForge project on youtube. You can find it here:

Now that I have settled on the Standardized Rig format, and have a decent workflow in place I expect to make much greater strides in the creation of the Animation Library. My plan is to create a series of wiki pages, and video tutorials which will guide world builders, and 3D artists in the different stages of creating and working with the animation data so that they can make the best use of the material provided and should they choose to help by extending and improving the data sets as well.

Once the base set of data and the workflow is well ironed out. With the Wiki pages and videos made completed. I would like to pursue possible scripts and adaptations which could better allow for refining and working with the motion capture data, and exporting the data into a complete game ready format in the most effective manner for 3D artists. Since I'm learning a lot as I go I'm always happy to receive any comments, suggestions, which will help me in improving these assets for everyone.

The data files will be made available on the media repository once I have completed work on the base default animations and have fully working assets that replace the existing game content completely.

I will periodically update this thread as new wiki pages, videos or data is made available.
Enjoy!

GSoC 2012, questions, introduction

arjun1991 — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:19:10 -0400

Hey everyone,

A little background info:

I'm a 3rd Year Computer Science college student who very recently came to know about the Google Summer of Code. I'm a very very avid MMO player, to the point of trying out new Korean games that I don't understand to learn about innovative new features. I played Ryzom back when the Ruins of Silan starter area came out and the Free to Play level cap was still level 50. I loved the crafting and leveling system and played in the trial area till it shut down to change owners.

I'm experienced in C,C++, Java and Assembly 8086(familiar), SQL (Oracle and Postgre). I have very little experience with actual software development. I mostly work on my own mini-projects to learn new aspects of coding in a language. I've only recently began learning Python. My dream job involves working to code an MMO (:D).

While browsing through the list of mentoring organizations I found WorldForge and spent the next few days exploring the requirements and possibilities of gaining the pre-requisites to the suggested projects in the project list. I think I've finally settled on the ember projects:

1. Integrate the Google Breakpad.
From my limited knowledge and my prowling billions of Technical Forum posts of any MMO I'm hooked to, game clients seem to crash for the weirdest of stuff mostly involving the rig being used. I'd love to help out with anything that simplifies this process.

2. Allow for dynamically dowloadable remote resources.
I have a huge interest in network protocols. I've also taken an Advanced Networking Protocols elective this semester.

Questions:
1. Reading the other forum post and introduction by ajp29, it seems I still have time to get an application ready. I'm currently installing Ubuntu and am going to begin compiling Ember soon, (I have mid semester sessionals so this process is slow). Is it possible for me, someone who's completely new to this, to be able to learn enough to actually contribute to this in time for the SoC.

2. I've never used Breakpad before, but am looking into implementations and example code. Again the question do I have enough time?

I'm sorry I seem so uncertain, I feel like I've come rather late to the open source software development party, but I really want to gain some software development experience in a field I love so much.

Arjun

Help with installing Cyphesis Step by Step please, Ubuntu 10.10

Krijn — Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:29:19 -0500

Hello everybody,

I have been busy with installing Cyphesis on my Ubuntu 10.10 installation.
I first got a lot of errors and searched the internet and i got a lot of awsers but i cant get Cyphesis installerd and working.

Could someone help me with the step by step full installation of Cyphesis and all the needed programs.

I hope someone can help me.
THnx in advance.

admin login not functioning

zoot686 — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 23:51:53 -0500

greetings,

Got cyphesis(x.x.26) compiled and working under Slackware 12.2 and installed Ember on another machine on my localnet.
Can't seem to get the admin login on Ember working though.
Client machines runs the latest Ember build for windoze XP)
Regular logins work fine, but the admin login fails with a timeout error.
Ran cypasswd on the server machine and set the admin password to(without the quotes)
"lemmein" (strictly a ficticious password)
Try logging in from the ember machine(another machine on my localnet)username:admin password:lemmein and get these timeout errors, along with a message saying, when trying a second time, that the account is already logged in.
Anyone have any clues as to what I'm doing wrong?
The windows firewall on the XP machine is turned off BTW

Google Summer of Code , and an Introduction

ajp29 — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 12:35:09 -0400

Greetings,

I am a college student and I am someone who wants to learn more about software development. In my Two and a half years at the university I feel that I am not as prepared as I could be for actual software development. There is so much I read in books and tutorials and I want to know more. I have never worked on nor seen a complete game ( Or its architecture in terms of WorldForge) and generally worked on small projects to teach myself concepts and ideas. I have a knowledge in Java, C#(which is technically java in an odd way), Python, and have familiarity with C++. I worked at a cell phone applications company last summer and learned about Android Development and XML. I didnt want to work on cell phone development again , despite that I own a smart phone, and I wanted to find something more.

A friend of mine told me about Google Summer of Code and that WorldForge was going to be in it. He said it sounded like something I would be interested in. He was a participant last year. The Summer of Code seems like a great Idea and WorldForge sounds like a great project. I was always a fan of games that are based on crafting and exploration and I wish WorldForge all the best in its success and I would like to contribute to it. I feel that I could help WorldForge by working on a proposed idea and I feel like this would better my own abilities and help me understand real world applications and game development.

I do have some questions however.

Most importantly , is it to late for the prerequisite phase? It says that I need to post an Idea on the mailing list and a couple other requirements , and the registration date is 6 days away.

I see that on the Google Summer of Code page that the application template is different than the one on the wiki. Is there a preferred one that you fill out? Or are the questions about English and what you study apart of the last part of the wiki page.

I do not have classes and I am not going on vacation during the summer, and I want to devote my time to Summer of Code. My question is about the weekly reports. Are they regimented? Is it wise to treat it as a job and work a set and equal amount of hours? If it is not regimented and something is urgent, is it wise to then always be in the irc?

Sorry if my questions seem basic, if not overly simple but these where some concerns I had before I wish to apply to the mailing list and write up a proposal. I want to become a better software developer and I heard from many friends of mine who work in the open source field that the people there are usually the best of the best and can give feedback on what made them so great.

Compiling Cyphesis on Windows?

owen_a — Sun, 11 Mar 2012 08:38:50 -0400

Hello,

I'm really interested in the WorldForge project, however the only thing keeping me back from installing everything needed development wise is that the wiki for Cyphesis is in linux, and there are no tutorials on getting the sedrver to windows. If someone could help me, that would encourage me to set my self up.

Thanks,

- Owen.

Windows Installer for Cyphesis

RoH_James — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:00:17 -0500

I am trying to get Cyphesis installed. The installation goes fine. I have the database setup and I am able to start the server however once I go to start cyclient I get a python error that the client can not be setup because a Connection can not be made...

Here is the out put in the console for the server:

2012-01-17T16:54:06 INFO Got C:\Cyphesis
2012-01-17T16:54:07 NOTICE Notice from database:
2012-01-17T16:54:07 NOTICE NOTICE: CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create impli
cit index "entities_pkey" for table "entities"
2012-01-17T16:54:07 NOTICE Notice from database:
2012-01-17T16:54:07 NOTICE NOTICE: CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create impli
cit index "accounts_pkey" for table "accounts"
2012-01-17T16:54:07 NOTICE Notice from database:
2012-01-17T16:54:07 NOTICE NOTICE: CREATE TABLE / UNIQUE will create implicit i
ndex "accounts_entities_target_key" for table "accounts_entities"
2012-01-17T16:54:08 INFO Running

and here is the output for the cyclient:

C:\Cyphesis>cyclient
2012-01-17T16:59:13 INFO Got C:\Cyphesis
WARNING: Could not make secure connection to:
C:\Cyphesis/var/tmp/cyphesis.sock
WARNING: Could not make non-secure connection to: 127.0.0.1 port 6767
Reporting python error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Cyphesis/share/cyphesis/rulesets/mason\define_world.py", line 208, in
default
c.setup('postgres', 'jamesp')
RuntimeError: client setup failed

Any help would be great!

Online Gaming Novel concept

Oldman — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:49:59 -0500

Hi everyone,

I'm new here, I'm also a writer. I'd like to discuss a concept with you guys as I think your open source game really fits best with it.

Currently there's a lot of MMOs out there that never end, and there's no real point to them besides grinding. I'm trying to see if it's possible to merge the multiplayer online game concept with the traditional artform of novel writing to create something entirely new. Games like Dragon Age have been successful in putting a novelesque story into game form; however, multi-player games have never really been successful in pulling this off.

I'd really like to see a multiplayer role playing game (either massive or limited/private) which tells a story and ends. Thereby each of the participants become a co-author in the experience guided along by a few game masters. At the end of the game you can restart the story and go for a different ending, or you can make a continuation of the story - much like you would do in a series of novels.

I guess what I'm trying to do is pioneer a new artform of interactive novel/anthology writing that uses worldforge as it's typewriter, and which allows storywriters and indie developers to unite and profit from what they love doing - even if that profit is on a small scale. Maybe it might be possible to get arts councils to recognize the idea eventually and give grants to to servers & forums as they catalogue their stories.

Anyway, there's a whole lot more to the concept that what I've written here, but I don't want to wipe your mind out with all of it in one go.

Is anyone interested in hearing more?

- Oldman

Whats already programmed in?

crzyone9584 — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:22:42 -0400

I was wondering what features are already programmed into this open source engine. I've been looking at ryzom, plane shift, and world forge. Ryzom looks great but the editors are not very user friendly as of yet. I was wondering if there was a list of actual features that have already been programmed in. I may have missed it on the wiki or main site. Thanks for your help.

My gallery

Raziel — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:58:48 -0500

Based on picture I've seen in Osprey.
Please comment, (i know that belt looks ugly :) ).

ember 0.6.0 is now working with i965 devices

Mr. Anderson — Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:27:01 -0500

A bug that prevented ember from running with Mesa on Linux has been fixed:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26920

This might concern all GMA devices, using the i965 Mesa driver: X3000, X3100, X3500, (4500?), X4500, X4500HD, 4500MHD and maybe also the integrated chips HD Graphics, HD Graphics 2000 and HD Graphics 3000.

With a GMA X4500HD and some DDR2-667 RAM, ember runs now fine for the first time. The sky is mostly black, but everything else seems to be alright. Well, it is rather slow, but with some tweaks, the performance is more or less sufficient for playing. I guess with the latest classic Mesa drivers, the absolute minimum for playing ember on Linux is a GMA X4500 with RAM not slower than DDR2-667.

Ember UI running very bad with old computer

virgo — Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:22:18 -0400

Last week i had a chance to install Ember to some old computer to test Ember, but i was not able to even log into the game, because the mouse was moving very slow and some mirror image from the main UI window (where all the servers are listed) blinked sometimes in the corner half image out of the screen. Now i would like to get some ideas, what is causing this and how to fix. Doesn't Ember support this kind of old computers, what are the minimum requirements to run Ember, what to try change in the computer or maybe it is possible to make Ember support old hardware too?

Computer was:
CPU - P4 (~2GHZ)
GPU - GF 4 (128MB)
RAM - 760MB
OS - Win XP SP3

If need more detailed information about the system, i can get it in future maybe, but not fast.
I had fresh graphics drivers and SP3 installed on the XP and there was DirctX 9.0c. So, if anyone has some ideas, what to try to get Ember running there, i can test them out next time may be.

Hello, another new guy

timetopat — Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:05:20 -0500

Hello,

After listening to a presentation by Bradley Kuhn at my college, I decided that I wanted to learn more about open source software. Never before did actually contribute or download one of these projects before. Most of the stuff I have used to program with has all been proprietary. This project( WorldForge) sounds like an amazing project and I wanted to look at it. I talked to a friend of mine and he said, all you need to do, is download the code(Preferably on a linux based machine) and thats it. You are good to go. Play with it, modify, post your results, and that is all you need. I have never even tried to participate in a system like this before, so is this true? If you modify, there is not law where you post it? I know it is not closed or for sale, i was just wondering if once you try to change something, if there is a rule in place. Lastly, is there anything you recommend that I read to get started on my adventure into the basics of world forge and open source software?

Sorry for my naivety about this topic,

Thanks

libwfmath, undefined reference to

UncleMike — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:59:12 -0500

Hi all :)

I'm trying to compile ember on archlinux 64bit and I got this error,

--------------------------------
Making all in test
make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/yaourt-tmp-zio/aur-eris/src/eris-1.3.19/test'
g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.. -I.. -I../bindings/polls -I/usr/include/sigc++-2.0 -I/usr/lib/sigc++-2.0/include -I/usr/include/skstream-0.3 -I/usr/lib/skstream-0.3/include -I/usr/include/Atlas-C++-0.6 -I/usr/include/wfmath-0.3 -I/usr/include/Mercator-0.3 -march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wall -Wno-unknown-pragmas -DNDEBUG -MT metaQuery.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/metaQuery.Tpo -c -o metaQuery.o metaQuery.cpp
mv -f .deps/metaQuery.Tpo .deps/metaQuery.Po
/bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=link g++ -march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wall -Wno-unknown-pragmas -DNDEBUG -Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro,--hash-style=gnu -o metaquery metaQuery.o ../Eris/liberis-1.3.la -lskstream-0.3 -lAtlasObjects-0.6 -lAtlasNet-0.6 -lAtlasCodecs-0.6 -lAtlasMessage-0.6 -lAtlas-0.6 -lmercator-0.3 -lwfmath-0.3 -lsigc-2.0
libtool: link: g++ -march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wall -Wno-unknown-pragmas -DNDEBUG -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z -Wl,relro -Wl,--hash-style=gnu -o .libs/metaquery metaQuery.o ../Eris/.libs/liberis-1.3.so /usr/lib/libskstream-0.3.so -lAtlasObjects-0.6 -lAtlasNet-0.6 -lAtlasCodecs-0.6 -lAtlasMessage-0.6 -lAtlas-0.6 /usr/lib/libmercator-0.3.so /usr/lib/libwfmath-0.3.so -lsigc-2.0
/usr/lib/libwfmath-0.3.so: undefined reference to `WFMath::Vector<3> WFMath::operator/<3>(WFMath::Vector<3> const&, float)'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [metaquery] Errore 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/yaourt-tmp-zio/aur-eris/src/eris-1.3.19/test'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Errore 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/yaourt-tmp-zio/aur-eris/src/eris-1.3.19'
make: *** [all] Errore 2
-------

any idea?
thank tou :)

Browser Based Ember Questions

Draco6slayer — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:47:28 -0400

I've been attached to the Mailing List for some time and I read that Peter Szücs had created a system that lets Ember run from within the browser.
Has this been completed?
Is there documentation on installing and setting this up?
Thank you all in advance.

Server Size vs. Players Handled

Draco6slayer — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:41:14 -0400

The game Valhira is looking into moving into WorldForge. We are trying to figure out the optimal server size for our game. How many players can be handled at once by one server? The server we've found has the following specs:
512MB RAM, 20GB Hard Drive, 100Mbps of internet speed, 1000GB data transfer pm, and 5 dedicated IPs. How many players could be online in a server of that scope at once? Which features would need to be improved to increase that number the most?

need texture

Cyrius007 — Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:24:58 -0400

Hi all,

I did the telescope and deer venison models as requested on the media todo list. The thing is, I'm not very good at texturing. Anyone feel like giving it a shot?

By the way, how do I upload my models?

Thanks

Draw flowcharts of system structure or parts of it (my little JavaScript project)

virgo — Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:30:43 -0400

Hello,
Again i have tried to make the world a better place with writing few lines of code in hope that it will be useful on day.
This tool should help draw flowchart kind of things in web environment and output is in HTML format.
As this project is in very early stage, don't hope this to be very easy to use. But i was able to make some sample with this interface and post into my wiki page http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/User:Virgo (not the best result but at least it is visible).

I have the working interface up there (http://hot.ee/v/virx5/) just to make it easy to test out.
As this page is using only HTML and JavaScripot, you can save the page and use it locally.
Or you can download this from sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jsflowchart/files/

The sample flowchart is also availible there: http://hot.ee/v/virx5/samples/sample_01.htm

Anyway, it would be cool (for me at least) to get some picture-like things out of this describing how worldforge system works in most general way and may be some more detailed things in future.

If this looks useful, please send feedback how to make it better (what shapes or functions would be good to have).
Then i can try to improve it in future.

Also it would be good information to me to know, what browsers support this. I have tested it only in firefox.

Todo list

Cyrius007 — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:17:53 -0400

Hi everyone,

I discovered WF last week and I reaaly like what I see so far. I wish to be part of the project. I have pretty good skills in 3d modeling and I mainly use 3ds max for it, so I can export in the good format for this engine.

The problem is, I'm new here... so I don't know what to model! lol
Is there a todo list somewhere with items needed in the game? I can model pretty much anything and use textures I find on the net. I'm not a really good texture designer.

I'm not looking for the greatest challenges, you can ask me to do very ordinary (and probably a little boring) items such as bottles, boxes, wood logs, fence, fish or anything. You know, those things 3d designers don't like to do.

So, where should I start?

Hello (Introduction).

Chakravanti — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:38:51 -0400

Hello, I am a frustrated gamer. I like crappy indie sandbox games because I hate mainstream Pavlovian paddlewhacking. I started MUDding with Realms of Despair (Smaug) so you might say I hated WoW before it had the cheap graphics everyone loved. I watch people, study history believe in the GNU/FOSS philosophy. Games of note that I've participated in have been Haven & Hearth, Dwarf Fortress, battle for Wesnoth, Sauerbraten, shadowbane and Nation States. Though I've puttered about with just about every GNU/FOSS Game at least once. As for RPGs, since FFVII turned out so awful I stopped playing linear rpgs and just watch friends play and spoil it for me. As for MMOs I've never admit to playing runescape back in the day. This is roughly a short essay of my most prominent thoughts and desires for game design. I'm good at math, logic and language and am trying to learn C++ atm so I might be useful later building this after I create a more organized version of of the logic arrays I've got in mind and scattered about a bunch of notes and essays.

I'd like to bring to the table a process for easily declaring and managing concrete and abstract psychological functions and social interactions through a system of procedural generation and processing to produce a matrix of unit(or 'sentient' game creature) value that can be fed through a decision tree for creating an AI capable of producing conversation with players and building and sustaining civilizations by working with resource trees and remembering how to reproduce them, and giving them motivation to do so. Individual units should be capable of reiterating daily habits based on necessity and desire to create a completely functional civilization. How exactly a given civilization operates depends on the players construction. Development occurs as players find stable values for social and technological development.

As things such as reproduction, marriage, social status and recognition of it develop through world progression and players managing small villages in social simulations within the primitive psychological mainframe and adding more values, potential experiences and recombinatorial results, seeking to explore new combinations in order to unlock new technology, development and civilization possibilities while maintaining the infrastructure to sustain them both socially and physically in a PK anywhere environment that uses physical and social infrastructures to keep other PLAYERS out of your development and sustaining peaceful domestic work within the safety of home. Allowing PvEers to run amok from the various hers or hunters to run about the free world gathering resources and investigating new territory and recording information about it (Mineral prospectus, new wildlife and notable large herds and migration routes, new plants, crops, herbs, trees, stones, fruit etc.).

A procedurally generated fruit tree consistent for a world and biome with a procedurally generated name and development value to the consumer would only limit the number of variety and resource trees. Fruit could be eaten, crafted into a potable sapling, jelly, pies, or canned & preserved against decay with sand and glass-making production trees.

Eventually Skill development can be a direct result of unit awareness and processing capability relative to environment. With Civ trees for education institutions and rapid development for intelligence and cognitive maintenance capability.

Integrating a Civ and tech development tree and making them interdependent this way.

At it peak, it should be able to neatly dispense with shopkeepers that stand 24/7 vigilantly willing to buy your vendor trash and then sell you the most valuable piece in his collection: high end newbie vendor trash.

The end result is that because there is no difference between PC's an NPC's functionally other than user interfacing overriding psychological decision tree of the AI. Let me extrapolate on the value of that though. Lets say I want to create a small military for my tribal almost a village civ, SO I generate a nice soldier template and put up a barracks because that's the quick and easy way.

Then when my template runs I see things that might be of value to create dimension to these soldiers. Give them some uniqueness even if they're missing some background because I've hand inserted them and copied skill values from other units. maybe add a few personalities I've seen elsewhere that I think make for a good dynamic. Maybe not, maybe those soldiers are just gonna die or operate as a placeholder for some real civ defense mechanics and development. Eventually someone generates and posts an interesting squad template that works. Probably not before exploiting it and raping easy targets first but that's just a fun way of showing people "Hey look what I created" whether they release their template or those affected by it get together to figure it out and create their own system to defend against it.

In this way I also advocate Open PVP anywhere with mechanism within the development tree giving players the ability to construct in game defenses and a system of attributional warfare that cause the attacker to spend resources in order to make war and thus it doesn't ever simply become about that a no-lifer can rape any little ol' nub. Rather, a no-life must spend part of his development in order to do something offensive to something someone else has created/is creating.

Also, logging out should never remove the character from the game. Rather, the AI simply picks up control of the character. With a player having access or influence over unit value being able to affect the character's behavior off-line. In this way things such as maintenance may be automated. Skill and building decay may exist and be kept up without the player ever having to preform 'the grind' simply by specifying that the player wishes this thing to be maintained will give it priority in offline, AI maintained, decision tree.

A bit about memory, code and skill caps.

A good attribute and skills system would keep technical values low enough to be counted in integers because so many units are being managed. With higher than 255 potentials the effective memory requirements for hosting a unit becomes doubled. Instead I should Suggest that raw attributes such as strength intelligence etc. be measured in very small value iterations with each iteration being a significant difference representing a more comprehensive investment and potential capability. What I mean is that when we step into this from an open source, we're quickly going to move toward eliminating the grind one way or another bot. To eliminate the grind you need what mainstream games lack: Procedurally generated content that simulates the experience of discovering new T-shirts.

Big numbers are cheap carrots. Having limitless development is not mutually exclusive from having a hard value cap. Eventually it just doesn't matter how good your horseshoe is. Sooner or later someone is gonna build a car. Quality and skill should be about granting the player certain choices in lieu of certain other choices. Not that Jacks of all trades should be discouraged, it's just that specialization should mean having a handicap. If you're uber, you have to have an Achilles' heel for some plucky band of heroes to kill your evil @$$. Content should be content for a unit to choose between upon development. Classes should arise naturally through practical development choices. Making subclasses and unique builds as a dimension for player/host exploration of game content.

My little python script first usable version

virgo — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:43:26 -0400

Hello

Many weeks ago i started learning and practicing python to be more when trying to help with WorldForge project in future. To make my python practice more useful, i was thinking to make some script that makes something faster, better or easier. As it was for me a bit confusing to enter correct commands into terminal to install, compile, execute things, i was thinking it would be good to have GUI with buttons and stuff to do all this. I know the hammer script is a great thing, but i think it would be more cool if there is for example hammer tab in my GUI program window with the hammer commands as buttons.

As the title says, i have something like this ready at last. It is in my git page: https://github.com/virx/MultiButtonProg. The idea itself and this script version is far from perfect, but i was thinking may be it would be good to get some feedback, comments, ideas from experienced coders.

The script idea was to make GUI with buttons that execute different shell scripts with button click, have tabs to filter buttons and shell outputs and configure all the tabs and buttons with single config.txt file. At the moment the script requires 2 files - mbp.py and config.txt, but when executing the py file, it generates folders, log files and script files. I have there something to make cmd files too, but i am 90% sure this script don't work with windows. So, if anyone finds the script useful, then we/me can take a task to make this work with windows also.

There can be bad design or mistakes anywhere in the script. It should be licensed as open source software, but as this is my first thing i try to code as open source, there can be mistakes with these headers too. Anyway i must warn the script is generating executable shell files and executing these with button clicks, so it is very easy to someone make danger content into config file. Again, if people want, we can take the security as another task to improve.

If anyone is interested about this script, finds it useful or just has some free time, please give me any kind of feedback and ideas, what is good/bad in the script or idea. You can also say what to make better and how.

Files should be possible to download from there: https://github.com/virx/MultiButtonProg

New to this game. But game doesn't work right.

JackDawson — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:40:05 -0400

I am new to this game. So I am not even sure what all I need. But I installed Ember and the UI just doesn't all show up on the screen. I tried more then one server, but the UI is missing. I see the mouse and the status bars on the top left. I see the character. But nothing else is there. And there is nothing that works other then "Move to" and the rest of that menu when you use the mouse. I'm not sure if I am missing anything. I can run openGL 2.0 and I have played other high end games on my laptop. I have my Wide Screen 27" monitor hooked up and I get the same UI issues. So somehow, the game is not detecting my screen size and making the game interface bigger then my actual screen. I tried to set the screen size just before you play, but all that does is make my resolution change, but doesn't even touch the UI.

Any ideas here ? This game looks cool but I have no clue what it does or anything. I would love to run my own server, but again, I am clueless what to do because the client doesn't work.

EDIT : I forgot to mention, when I run this in Window mode, all the screen is there. I can see the UI. But when I am in full screen, the UI is missing. This is what I meant in the info above. Just in case I was not clear.

Rather-over-dramatized-video-advertising-the-worldforge-project-and-enticing-people-to-join

Jobe — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:21:37 -0400

Alriddoch has indeed been responsible for his trailer's created to assist WorldForger's with tutorials which I am sure have been of great aid to many people here in the project. I personally feel that it is now time to create a rather-over-dramatized-video-advertising-the-worldforge-project-and-enticing-people-to-join.

This idea came as a misunderstanding, I will admit, when I was talking with Alistair... But I don't think it's a bad idea and making a trailer shouldn't cause too much harm.

I believe that we should base this figurative commercial in a text-picture way. Here's an example:

One of the only objections with this particular trailer is it's very much aimed at somebody who wants to play a game, as opposed to make one - and as far as I know, that's not what worldforge is about. Anyone and everyone can contribute in some way, as far as I'm concerned.

Now, I'm going to of course vote to be one of the (hopefully many) composers for the trailer. Alistair recommended creating the music first, so I'm working on that now - but I think it's important for myself and others to get an idea of what the music's supposed to do/say, and I need everybody else's help with that. For example, how long will this trailer be? 30 seconds? 2 minutes? What will it include? (we need a list). Images of grasslands, docks, people yes... But any interaction? Any fighting? Any editing? (I would suggest all of those).

If you'd like, we could have one that's like the Ocarina of Time (a commercial) and another which is a bit longer, and more informative, with a narrator and a script describing key features about WorldForge: and we can attach them together or use them separately.

I personally think this is a cool idea because I like composing music for trailers - not that I do so very often.

So yeah, I think first, shall we all decide on a list of things we want the video to show?

Music? Where? Also, I'm new

Jobe — Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:53:16 -0400

Hello, I am Jobe, 17, from Birmingham, UK and am a (wanna-be) composer, with a particular adoration for classical music. I have had a look around the WorldForge project and have had a go working Ember. Yes I am confused, but hopefully I'll get used to this domain sooner or later...

Anyway, I'd rather like to inquire about the music of this place. I haven't heard any other than one which was presented by MrGlass, which were very nice - most of the links didn't work for me. :(

If you've got room for one more, I'd like to assist in composing for this game. I have seen the Musical to-do list and think I could compose for all of them. Also, I'm not one for "generic RPG". But by default seem to end up composing very generic music anyway.

So far, I have composed a little already, not necessarily FOR WorldForge but inspired by the WorldForge project. You can find my compositions here: http://soundcloud.com/joab-1 I've composed a Goblin theme and a "building" theme, and am working on a "Pastoral" theme.

Anyway, what I would really like is a bit more direction. I am aware that some pages are out of date and the like, and haven't got a clue what to trust and what to not because half the music links don't work for me. Is there anybody who can tolerate some rather juvenile questions and would guide me so I can help? As I say, I am an aspiring composer so I quite like to work with people as opposed to be left in the dark and have my music reaped and used by someone ungrateful, not that us Games Composers ever expect reward ¬¬, but, a bit of assistance would be nice ^.^ Likewise, if you cannot do this, just say and I'll go away.

THANK YE

Worldforge's Twitter Page

Jobe — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:18:57 -0400

Upon finding WorldForge's twitter page I see that it's regretfully not used that often.

http://twitter.com/#!/worldforge

I don't know what your policy is on promotion, or if you care if loads of people join in on the project - perhaps we like it discreet. I am a rather avid Twitter user myself, and believe I could harbour some genuine promotion if given the rites to control the Twitter.

If it's true that we would like some promotion, but we just haven't explored the Twitter side of things in great depth, why don't we use Twitter as a team? We could decide what links to present daily. I imagine we'd also respond to questions - and tell people that we're willing to answer questions - using the @ feature. I would also imagine we each have a coded hashtag to signify it's us who's talking in informal situations, i.e If I said "@JohnDoe yes, thank you for taking an interest. Anybody is allowed to join! #Jb" Jb would be my "alias".

By merely following and interacting, we can get a wealth of people supporting the WorldForge project. I've tried it with gaming clans before.

Or... maybe this is the wrong Twitter Page?

Hi! Im new here!

zxmadkiller — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:59:58 -0400

As you can see I am new here. I currently don't know what client to download though.. I downloaded Ember just a little while ago. I don't know if I should of gotten a different client or something. Can you please help?

Realism and Fun

Onirim — Mon, 16 May 2011 11:30:55 -0400

I like simulations and I used to play flight simulators and found that getting an addon to allow unexpected random failures brings a big feeling of realism. These simulators already have failures features but you must set the time window when a failure can happen so failures are expected and thus as I mentioned an addon is required.

To code unforseen events will give WF based games this big feeling of realism, like unlocking the area where a dragon can roam and allowing it to wander over the whole map but with the higher chance in the designed spawn spot and decreasing chance with distance to it. (I don't know if it's already the case in worldforge).

But realism doesn't always get well with fun I think. The first impression I had about Mason is that it will be very robust (due to WF) but kind of tedious. In my case I want to play games for fun and I don't enjoy to do repetitive tasks as might be chopping large amounts of wood to build huge stockades. So some kind of online/offline 'auto' functions should be implemented to handle some repetitive tasks?

EDIT: I mean when playing the game you know that this dragon will remain in his 'habitat' and will never raid your city in your in-game lifetime but it could because a tiny chance for this was programmed. Entities behavior arise from AI engine but if these chances could be measured it wouldbe nice if they are kind like I mentioned.

Error during Cyphesis Building

jekintrivedi — Mon, 30 May 2011 13:47:33 -0400

Hey , i was building cyphesis through Hammer. Getting this error during the building process .

jekin@jekin-007:~/worldforge$ ./Hammer build cyphesis
Building sources...
Cyphesis...
Building...
make[2]: Circular buildid.cpp <- buildid.cpp dependency dropped.
Getting GIT buildid from number of ChangeLog commits
/bin/bash: docbook2man: command not found
make[2]: *** [cyphesis-tools.1] Error 127
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 2

Currently downloading docbook2man package (around 222mb with all other tex live dependencies ) . Hope it will solve the problem

Ember crashes

jekintrivedi — Tue, 31 May 2011 15:26:32 -0400

Just when the world is being created after login Ember crashes this is what i get in terminal

jekin@jekin-lappy:~/worldforge/local/bin$ ./ember
According to my calculations Ember should be installed in /home/jekin/worldforge/local/bin/..
Starting Ember....
Registering: list_commands
Registering: quit
Registering: toggle_erispolling
Starting Ember version 0.6.2
Initializing Ember services
Registering: loadscript
Registering: connect
Registering: meta_refresh
Registering: meta_abort
Metaserver Service created
Registering: set_value
Registering: get_value
Setting home directory to /home/jekin/.ember
i915_program_error: Exceeded max ALU instructions (77 out of 64)
ember.bin: program/ir_to_mesa.cpp:2253: prog_src_register mesa_src_reg_from_ir_src_reg(ir_to_mesa_src_reg): Assertion `reg.index < (1 << 11)' failed.
Crashed with signal 6, will try to shut down SDL gracefully. Please report bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ember
./ember: line 118: 1828 Aborted $bindir/ember.bin --home $homedata "$@"

Maybe the problem is cause my laptop has low hardware

[Intel atom dual core 1.67gh *2 , 2gb ddr3 ram, 256mb(2.0 pixel) Intel 3130 graphics card]

Is it possible to make ember run on low hardware machines like mine ? ?

I have already done foliage=false and graphics =low in ember.conf

Problem compiling Eris 1.3.18 on Chakra GNU/Linux (Arch Linux-like)

Gallaecio — Thu, 19 May 2011 15:48:22 -0400

I'm getting this:

../Eris/.libs/liberis-1.3.so: undefined reference to `Mercator::ShapeTerrainMod::ShapeTerrainMod(WFMath::Polygon<2> const&)'

The only related thing I found out there was this IRC log from January with no answer:
http://brenda.worldforge.org/index.php?channel=lounge&log=201101101809